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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://enquirer.sg/2010/01/16/why-dissent-needs-j-b-jeyaretnam/comment-page-1/#comment-18781</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;furthermore,&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Dissent doesn’t need JBJ, it needs cultural diversity and vibrancy.  The astute will realise that the road to authoritarianism and fascism is fraught by cultural fascism. Whilst in the short run, cultural fascism can serve to advantage one ‘race’ over others, in the longer run, it will tend to compromise the interests of all as it delivers intellectual ineptitude, apathy, self-absorption, and as a result, to look toward prominent leaders for insight.  Hence, nation loses the potential produce of a many vibrant minds as all tend to kneel before one leader, alive or otherwise, for salvation.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>furthermore,</p>

<p>Dissent doesn’t need JBJ, it needs cultural diversity and vibrancy.  The astute will realise that the road to authoritarianism and fascism is fraught by cultural fascism. Whilst in the short run, cultural fascism can serve to advantage one ‘race’ over others, in the longer run, it will tend to compromise the interests of all as it delivers intellectual ineptitude, apathy, self-absorption, and as a result, to look toward prominent leaders for insight.  Hence, nation loses the potential produce of a many vibrant minds as all tend to kneel before one leader, alive or otherwise, for salvation.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ed</title>
		<link>http://enquirer.sg/2010/01/16/why-dissent-needs-j-b-jeyaretnam/comment-page-1/#comment-18780</link>
		<dc:creator>ed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jul 2010 14:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;If no one comes &#039;2nd&#039;, than you better ask yourselves what is wrong with the overarching (confucian) culture that compromises the production of &#039;great debaters&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Haven&#039;t you heard the phrase, &#039;Indians talk too much/complain too much/cannot control one&#039;.  Perhaps that is why &#039;Indians&#039; of today tend to talk less, eat more, and shop more - whilst the chinese failed to incorporate these culturally-induced tendencies of the Indians.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;As for JBJ, he was a great bloke.  But I wouldn&#039;t call him a great debater.  He&#039;s alright in that respect.  I&#039;ve encountered  Indians and British of non prominent stature whom are far greater debaters.  And even the debates and philosophical rantings in south indian movies indicate that JBJ is just a shadow of a debater in comparison.  He&#039;s a freedom fighter, but being a great debater or thinker is another matter altogether.  I like and respect JBJ.  But I do not let that compromise my objectivity.  For great thinkers, we need cultural diversity and democracy.  Singapore has neither.  It has, especially since the late 80s, become exceedingly, and unfortunately, &#039;confucian&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That is the diametrical opposite of cultural diversity and democracy.  Cultural vibrancy and diversity is also one of the reasons why Indians from the subcontinent take so easily to programming as it is logic-based.  Unfortunately, the logical demands of programming only utilise a portion of the intellectual propensities of Indian cultural diversity.  Hence, we can expect the Indians to become less in the present and future as they focus on that which brings in the money.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Perhaps people might tend to overrate JBJ in this respect simply because chinese culture promotes the valuation of something only if &quot;this very popular one&#039;, &#039;prominent&#039;, or &#039;majority what!&#039;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In the final analysis, people tend to identify a &#039;great debater&#039; not only by what s/he says, but generally after looking at the number of &#039;hits&#039; the individual has.  Additionally, it also depends on how much the debater either seeks to attack the government as opposed to calling for the people to engage in critical introspection.  People tend to support those who fight for them as opposed to those who expect them to do some brain-work and look into how much they themselves are a part of the problem, or change what they are.  From those who extol the virtues of critical introspection, they will turn away.  How are such a people fit to identify &#039;great debaters&#039; eh?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;A great debater can only be identified in a milieu wherein people are generally not averse to discussing anything, and anything new in detail, are not just seeking out the company of people who agree with them, and do not turn away in the face of contradiction - as, generally, do the chinese who tend to equate reason with what is commonly believed by a racially-defined majority,or those whom hold the reins of power.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;People in a vibrant climate never &#039;agree to disagree&#039; or say, &#039;that&#039;s just your opinion&#039;, or call the analytical minded &#039;zhong hei&#039;(long winded) simply because they are analytical, but view objective reasoning, learning, and empathy, as the path to agreement on all things.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In such a vibrant climate, a great debater is one who has gone through the gauntlet of many other great debaters.  In a confucian state, a &#039;great debater&#039; is the best amongst a population whom are inclined to leave the thinking to their leaders.  Not much competition there, and the great debater&#039;s views aren&#039;t refined by much challenge from various schools of thought either.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Haha.  Tragic comedy indeed.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If no one comes &#8217;2nd&#8217;, than you better ask yourselves what is wrong with the overarching (confucian) culture that compromises the production of &#8216;great debaters&#8217;.</p>

<p>Haven&#8217;t you heard the phrase, &#8216;Indians talk too much/complain too much/cannot control one&#8217;.  Perhaps that is why &#8216;Indians&#8217; of today tend to talk less, eat more, and shop more &#8211; whilst the chinese failed to incorporate these culturally-induced tendencies of the Indians.</p>

<p>As for JBJ, he was a great bloke.  But I wouldn&#8217;t call him a great debater.  He&#8217;s alright in that respect.  I&#8217;ve encountered  Indians and British of non prominent stature whom are far greater debaters.  And even the debates and philosophical rantings in south indian movies indicate that JBJ is just a shadow of a debater in comparison.  He&#8217;s a freedom fighter, but being a great debater or thinker is another matter altogether.  I like and respect JBJ.  But I do not let that compromise my objectivity.  For great thinkers, we need cultural diversity and democracy.  Singapore has neither.  It has, especially since the late 80s, become exceedingly, and unfortunately, &#8216;confucian&#8217;.</p>

<p>That is the diametrical opposite of cultural diversity and democracy.  Cultural vibrancy and diversity is also one of the reasons why Indians from the subcontinent take so easily to programming as it is logic-based.  Unfortunately, the logical demands of programming only utilise a portion of the intellectual propensities of Indian cultural diversity.  Hence, we can expect the Indians to become less in the present and future as they focus on that which brings in the money.</p>

<p>Perhaps people might tend to overrate JBJ in this respect simply because chinese culture promotes the valuation of something only if &#8220;this very popular one&#8217;, &#8216;prominent&#8217;, or &#8216;majority what!&#8217;.</p>

<p>In the final analysis, people tend to identify a &#8216;great debater&#8217; not only by what s/he says, but generally after looking at the number of &#8216;hits&#8217; the individual has.  Additionally, it also depends on how much the debater either seeks to attack the government as opposed to calling for the people to engage in critical introspection.  People tend to support those who fight for them as opposed to those who expect them to do some brain-work and look into how much they themselves are a part of the problem, or change what they are.  From those who extol the virtues of critical introspection, they will turn away.  How are such a people fit to identify &#8216;great debaters&#8217; eh?</p>

<p>A great debater can only be identified in a milieu wherein people are generally not averse to discussing anything, and anything new in detail, are not just seeking out the company of people who agree with them, and do not turn away in the face of contradiction &#8211; as, generally, do the chinese who tend to equate reason with what is commonly believed by a racially-defined majority,or those whom hold the reins of power.</p>

<p>People in a vibrant climate never &#8216;agree to disagree&#8217; or say, &#8216;that&#8217;s just your opinion&#8217;, or call the analytical minded &#8216;zhong hei&#8217;(long winded) simply because they are analytical, but view objective reasoning, learning, and empathy, as the path to agreement on all things.</p>

<p>In such a vibrant climate, a great debater is one who has gone through the gauntlet of many other great debaters.  In a confucian state, a &#8216;great debater&#8217; is the best amongst a population whom are inclined to leave the thinking to their leaders.  Not much competition there, and the great debater&#8217;s views aren&#8217;t refined by much challenge from various schools of thought either.</p>

<p>Haha.  Tragic comedy indeed.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 08:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;belmont,
this is an excellent article. jbj championed the cause of alternatives on his own. we are now hearing more dissenting voices in singapore. something will have to give way soon. thats when jbj will RIP.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>belmont,
this is an excellent article. jbj championed the cause of alternatives on his own. we are now hearing more dissenting voices in singapore. something will have to give way soon. thats when jbj will RIP.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: francis</title>
		<link>http://enquirer.sg/2010/01/16/why-dissent-needs-j-b-jeyaretnam/comment-page-1/#comment-13691</link>
		<dc:creator>francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 12:46:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;yes, i totally agreed we have lost one hell of a great debater, no one comes close to 2nd.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;yes i always sees him at raffles place selling his books and at yio chu kang stadium too, just not rich enough to buy all his t&#039;s and books and no money to support too.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;yes, will do some for dr. chee in future when i have my cpf.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;no work for the past 2.6 years and still looking&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes, i totally agreed we have lost one hell of a great debater, no one comes close to 2nd.</p>

<p>yes i always sees him at raffles place selling his books and at yio chu kang stadium too, just not rich enough to buy all his t&#8217;s and books and no money to support too.</p>

<p>yes, will do some for dr. chee in future when i have my cpf.</p>

<p>no work for the past 2.6 years and still looking</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: kash</title>
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		<dc:creator>kash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 04:49:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Do university students keep talking to university students and getting more dissenting ideas? Same faces at Hong Lim Park? I say it with no malice, but it&#039;s just food for a thought, you know :)&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do university students keep talking to university students and getting more dissenting ideas? Same faces at Hong Lim Park? I say it with no malice, but it&#8217;s just food for a thought, you know :)</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 04</title>
		<link>http://enquirer.sg/2010/01/16/why-dissent-needs-j-b-jeyaretnam/comment-page-1/#comment-10341</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 04</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 04:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Remembering JBJ - The Secret Political Blog: The last word on the memorial of JBJ - The Enquirer: Why dissent needs J. B. Jeyaretnam [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Remembering JBJ &#8211; The Secret Political Blog: The last word on the memorial of JBJ &#8211; The Enquirer: Why dissent needs J. B. Jeyaretnam [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: ANGELHAWK</title>
		<link>http://enquirer.sg/2010/01/16/why-dissent-needs-j-b-jeyaretnam/comment-page-1/#comment-10242</link>
		<dc:creator>ANGELHAWK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jan 2010 16:50:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;TO THE WONDERFUL AND HEROIC BLESSED JBJ......
http://www.singazine.com/2010/01/blogger-tribute-to-jbj.html&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO THE WONDERFUL AND HEROIC BLESSED JBJ&#8230;&#8230;
<a href="http://www.singazine.com/2010/01/blogger-tribute-to-jbj.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.singazine.com/2010/01/blogger-tribute-to-jbj.html</a></p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 18 Jan 2010</title>
		<link>http://enquirer.sg/2010/01/16/why-dissent-needs-j-b-jeyaretnam/comment-page-1/#comment-10203</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 18 Jan 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jan 2010 03:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;[...] Remembering JBJ - The Secret Political Blog: The last word on the memorial of JBJ - The Enquirer: Why dissent needs J. B. Jeyaretnam [...]&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Remembering JBJ &#8211; The Secret Political Blog: The last word on the memorial of JBJ &#8211; The Enquirer: Why dissent needs J. B. Jeyaretnam [...]</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Jenna</title>
		<link>http://enquirer.sg/2010/01/16/why-dissent-needs-j-b-jeyaretnam/comment-page-1/#comment-10144</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;Last but not least, I do not know if Singapore will ever see the likes of another personality like Jeyaretnam who would run the risk of being financially ruined time and again just to make a point and be heard.&quot;&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Ever heard of Chee Soon Juan? The last time I checked, he was still bankrupt from all the defamation suits filed against him by the Lees.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Last but not least, I do not know if Singapore will ever see the likes of another personality like Jeyaretnam who would run the risk of being financially ruined time and again just to make a point and be heard.&#8221;</p>

<p>Ever heard of Chee Soon Juan? The last time I checked, he was still bankrupt from all the defamation suits filed against him by the Lees.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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